Posts by defender of truth

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Blood Transfusion: Letter of Understanding

by defender of truth in

http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.

"every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.

then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".

defender of truth

"In fact, Defender of Truth having all of your pointed references too, claims that he does not know either."

Maybe because I misunderstood your vaguely worded questions..

1. Do you know for a fact that Watchtower drafted any part of the Letter of Understanding posted on this thread?

2. Do you know for a fact that Watchtower (appointees) asks for the LOU posted on this thread in connection with medical treatment?

First question was ridiculous, since when has it been claimed that the Watchtower society drafted this letter?

Second question, I thought you meant do the Hlc request this letter from the Watchtower, which has not been stated anywhere as far as I have seen.

If in the first question you meant Watchtower appointed men, my reply would be yes.

If in the second question you meant do they ask the hospital whether the lou is in place, my reply is yes. Marvin has cleared it up now, it seems.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

defender of truth

Bttt. Interesting thread. You may be able to use some of these points with JW friends or family..

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Petition to Revoke Scientology's Tax Exempt Status

by ABibleStudent in

fyi, if you feel that scientology's tax-exempt status should be revoked, you can sign a white house petition to revoke its tax-exempt status at https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status.. i signed the petition even though i have mixed feelings about this petition.

i would prefer that dangerous cults like scientology be reformed by suspending its tax-exempt status until it makes needed changes and i do not like targeting a specific organization when the whole system should be changed.

on the other hand this type of action may help to promote debate about revising the tax codes in the us.. i do prefer revising the tax code like i wrote about in revise tax code to protect children from sexual abuse .. peace be with you and everyone, who you love,.

defender of truth

Reposting. Why not pass this on to your friends on Facebook/twitter?

www.petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status

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Petition to Revoke Scientology's Tax Exempt Status

by ABibleStudent in

fyi, if you feel that scientology's tax-exempt status should be revoked, you can sign a white house petition to revoke its tax-exempt status at https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status.. i signed the petition even though i have mixed feelings about this petition.

i would prefer that dangerous cults like scientology be reformed by suspending its tax-exempt status until it makes needed changes and i do not like targeting a specific organization when the whole system should be changed.

on the other hand this type of action may help to promote debate about revising the tax codes in the us.. i do prefer revising the tax code like i wrote about in revise tax code to protect children from sexual abuse .. peace be with you and everyone, who you love,.

defender of truth

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Blood Transfusion: Letter of Understanding

by defender of truth in

http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.

"every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.

then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".

defender of truth

Yes, I did misunderstand that part you quoted, I apologise for that.

Your reasoning still proves nothing except what we already know, that neither the watchtower nor the parents are allowing blood transfusions, and they have no authority to prevent it from happening.

1) No, but I never claimed they did. (Hlc's draft these kind of legal documents, that's part of their work.)

2) No, and I never claimed they had.

All I do know is that the hlc's will follow guidance from the watchtower when they act, so either the watchtower allows the hlc's to draft these documents, or the hlc's keep it private and the watchtower is not informed or consulted.

Now I have questions for you:

Why are the parents asked to sign the document? Why do the hospital sign the document?

There has to be a benefit on the hospitals part,otherwise why would they make the concession? Is it so the parents do not cause trouble? Does coming to this understanding make things easier in any way for the hospital?

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DOCUMENTS: Candace Conti v Watchtower – Court of Appeal Decision - April 2015

by jwleaks in

jw leaks has published the court of appeal decision and documents relating to conti v watchtower, including appeal documents and jury trial transcripts.jw leaks | conti v watchtower (court documents).

congratulations candace on your win and thank you for proving watchtower was negligent in your suffering and in not protecting children.

one person can make a difference.

defender of truth

Smiddy, they only 'won' in that they don't have to pay the the punitive damages.

Because they are usually paid in excess of the plaintiff's provable injuries, punitive damages are awarded only in special cases, usually under tort law, where the defendant's conduct was egregiously insidious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_damages

The Watchtower was still found GUILTY of negligence in this case.

Well done to Candace and Rick Simons!! :)

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HBO Scientology Documentary

by tresdecu in

jw
friends

has anyone else seen the hbo scientology documentary 'going clear' - wow...cults are just mind-blowing you wonder how people can fall for that garbage, then you (those of us former/fading jws) look in the mirror.. i would love for someone to make a major jw documentary like this.

'going clear' is getting a lot of press.

poor tom cruise...he looks like quite the whack job in it too.

defender of truth

In related news..

www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/222350001/going-clear-director-calls-end-scientology-tax-exempt-status#/218460005

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Just sent a letter...at 1am, after drinking a lot of Scotch

by tresdecu in

jw
friends

sent to the production company that made 'going clear' (documentary about scientology).

edit: i sent an email...not an actual letter.

dear mr gibney,.

defender of truth

Very well written letter. Have you had a look at this thread? He wants their tax exempt status taken away, just like we do with the Watchtower..

www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/222350001/going-clear-director-calls-end-scientology-tax-exempt-status#/218460005

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Petition to Revoke Scientology's Tax Exempt Status

by ABibleStudent in

fyi, if you feel that scientology's tax-exempt status should be revoked, you can sign a white house petition to revoke its tax-exempt status at https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status.. i signed the petition even though i have mixed feelings about this petition.

i would prefer that dangerous cults like scientology be reformed by suspending its tax-exempt status until it makes needed changes and i do not like targeting a specific organization when the whole system should be changed.

on the other hand this type of action may help to promote debate about revising the tax codes in the us.. i do prefer revising the tax code like i wrote about in revise tax code to protect children from sexual abuse .. peace be with you and everyone, who you love,.

defender of truth

pm for abiblestudent

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Blood Transfusion: Letter of Understanding

by defender of truth in

http://ajwrb.org/science/blood-transfusion-letter-of-understanding.

"every parent among jehovahs witnesses worried about how local watchtower appointed elders will respond to letting their child have blood transfusion without opposing it should download this letter of understanding and be ready to hand a copy to them.

then ask those elders to leave them (the parents) and doctors alone to concentrate on the childs best interests.".

defender of truth

The document is known by Watchtower appointees and is asked for by those appointees for sake of JW parents having the opportunity to sign it.

I did not know this ever, even though you conclude that I should.

Fisherman, you already said on page 2:

So, the parents are not agreeing that the hospital give blood to their child by signing the document and neither is the WTS by choosing to allow the use of such a document.

HLC are appointed by the Watchtower and must follow Watchtower instructions. Various HLC's are aware of this type of letter, as the newspaper article shows.

A template for a 'letter of understanding' may be held on file by HLC, or requested. I don't know.. The important point is that the Watchtower allows it to be used, as you admitted.